finding out very secret kind of the Harbinger.
Uh, you know, it is. Everybody’s finding out. It’s pretty wild too.

Yeah, it’s the Harbinger.
I think, I think you’re right.
It reminded me of Rogue One.
When like one guy dies — I think K2SO dies — and then, uh, the next two guys die.
And then when Riz Ahmed’s character dies, you’re like,
“Oh, they’re all dying.”

So it’s like once, you know, Austin knows, Darcy knows, now, uh, and uh, Austin’s father knows.
And now this season it’s — it’s becoming the mayor, the mayor’s wife.
Who doesn’t know? My gosh.

So, we died.
But from a standpoint, is it good to have everyone on the same stage,
or does it feel like you should hold on a show for as long as possible?

You know, Harry was never really concerned with being found out.
So for me, he just felt —
“I act normal. Why would anybody consider me not, uh, human?”

Um, so, uh, for the playing of it, it was, you know, the same.
But as far as, you know, for the—
I, I, I, I like, as far as the show itself,
like for the story,
I like that kind of having to keep secrets from people.
That’s a fun comedy thing to, you know, exhibit in front of somebody.

How fun was it as an actor for you to play, really?
Flipping — it was great.
I mean, the way that it was written, it, you know, trickled in once, you know.
He started out without any ability to feel,
and he comes from a planet where people don’t —
people don’t have emotions.
Or the beings don’t have emotions.

So as that starts to trickle in, and it comes in,
his emotions are very big.
He gets scared.
He gets — you know, he doesn’t know how to regulate them.
He was like a child.

So it’s nice that it starts to come into a little bit more focus.
You know, he becomes more human.
Well — he became human.

It makes it so that, uh, the playing of it is less up-down, all over the place.
It could be a little bit more nuanced,
which was fun to play with this season.

Show’s four seasons. Four years.
What is something that you’ve always wanted to talk about in this series
and never been able to talk about?

Um, gosh, I don’t know.
I’ve been able to talk about — I don’t — I mean,
we’ve done pretty much everything I’ve wanted to do.

I really love the stuff with, uh, Edie Patterson’s character, Heather the alien.
The falling in love with her, and then getting brokenhearted.
I love that so much.

I was very much talking with Chris about —
because I’m a romantic type of guy,
and I can remember very clearly my first loves, like when I was a kid.
Like I fell head over heels, and I’d write poetry.

So I’m like,
“I have to write a poem. Please, write a poem.”
And he said,
“Oh, I don’t know.”

And I was like,
“What about this — where I say,
‘I want to touch you where the eggs come out.’”
And he goes,
“But we can actually put that in a poem. That sounds good.”

So that — yeah, I got to do a lot.
I was given a lot of latitude and a lot of freedom.
And, um, yeah, falling —
even all that stuff with my knees, my falling — like I just—
he gets weak. That was it.

Yeah, he gets a little faint.
“My knees are weak,” he said.
“My — my knees feel funny.”
And I’m like, “Well, I have to fall down now.”

And so I got to fall down,
which meant I got to fall down two more times,
because I found two more places to do it.
So I got to do so much. It was a real gift.

Yeah.
And did directing these first two episodes kind of put the—
I don’t know —
I thought that maybe it’s time for this one?

Yes. Yes. It did put that in my head.
I don’t know. Um, uh, you know,
I’ve never stopped going to conventions.
So — and stuff always happens.

You know, it’s, it’s, it’s a different game now.
There’s definitely — there’s definitely so many stories.
There were so many stories I had that I didn’t write already.
Just that, like, I have log lines of different episodes.

So, as you know, we’re stopping this show
not because our ratings have dropped off,
or for any other reason,
except that the climate in, you know, making television shows has changed.

The financial — um, I don’t know,
the arithmetic has changed.
So it kind of made me think about Con Man as well,
because we made that for so very little money.

We made it in a different model.
We made the first season just to put on Vimeo.
But it seems like you could put —
you know, the biggest streaming channel right now is YouTube.

So wouldn’t that be a great place to put another series of episodes?
I think so. Yeah. Doesn’t cost anything.
Well — it costs to make it, but yes.

Huh? Oh, yeah. Hey.
Yeah. Well, that’s going to charity, but yeah.
There’s — there’s ideas.