And maybe you’ll see it.
I won’t have seen it, because I won’t—

Anyway, I want to hear your answers.

I collected comic books when I was a kid.
And just about two months ago, maybe over Christmas,
went through the boxes to look at what I had —
and there’s some good stuff in there.

I don’t know if it’s worth anything,
because I read each of them like a hundred times.
So they’re all raggedy,
but like an early Daredevil number two,
and some really old stuff.

But they’re like half ripped,
and I drew on them and stuff like that.
I’m never joking.

Did you geek out then, when you worked on a show that was from a comic book?
That — I didn’t know that about you.
That was cool.
That’s really cool.
Yeah, I loved it.

Wow. Go ahead. I know you have things you look for.
Star Trek stuff.
Star Trek stuff. Thank you.

Mine’s Zelda, all the time.
And lately I’ve been looking for earrings that are super unique.
The last ones I bought at a con were
the girl from The Ring crawling out of the TV — as earrings.

And I really like them, because from afar you have no idea what’s happening,
and when you get up close you’re like, “Ahh!”

But doesn’t that weigh a lot on the ear?
No, they’re super light.
And it’s not the real girl.
It’s — it’s a miniature version.

That’s my new thing. I like to go look.
That’s right.

By the way —
that is the reason why I can imagine that’s what it must be like on set
when you guys were filming this.
Because you like that kind of improv.

I could never do what you just did.
Do you know what I mean?

Like, no, but seriously — a lot of credit,
because when I watch the show, I’m like,
“Oh, that might be an alt line.”

Especially with this guy.
Especially, because I can see people everywhere.

But it’s mostly because I can see someone’s reaction,
and they’re clearly not ready for that line.
And I’m like, “Oh, that’s really good.”

I think that’s one of the best parts about ad-libbing though —
it keeps everyone present.
Because when you’re on the set with this one and this one in particular,
if you are not on your toes and present in the moment,
you will get left behind.

You will get left behind.
Like that movie where the rapture happened
and everybody got left —
there were people who were left behind.

Yeah, I love that movie.
It’s like that but without the rapture.
He does.

Um, so what —
He brings up the rapture a lot.
I’m obsessed with the rapture.
It’s got to be the coolest thing in the world.

Can you imagine just — all of a sudden we’re sitting here —
the mic just drops and just [__] are gone.

Everyone would be like, “Oh my god.”
You’d be, “I guess I’m not worthy.”

You know, oh well.
I mean, they’d leave the best people.

You’re going to have a kick-ass party on Earth though, post-rapture,
‘cause all the most heathenist [__]
are still going to be here with nothing to lose.

Come on, let’s do it.

So, you know, I don’t know.
I’m curious — so this is most likely the end.
And I’m curious, when you were making it—

We’re dying.

Did you know, when you were making it,
that this is probably the last season?
Or was it sort of like, you know what I mean?
Like, how were you thinking about it when you were writing it?

No — 100% knew.
I mean, every year it’s a dance.

At the end of season three,
we were on the bubble,
and I developed the season to put a bunch of cliffhangers at the end,
hoping that that might force them to do another season.

And it didn’t hurt for sure, and we got another season —
but I didn’t think I’d win that battle again.

The way this business is now,
I saw where things were going,
and I didn’t want to play the game of “are we going to get picked up or not?”

So, at the beginning of every season,
I’ve got to go and pitch —
like a couple weeks into the writer’s room.

This was last July —
I’ve got to pitch what the season’s going to be.
And I said, I just made the decision:
I’m going to end it.

Like, I’m going to come up with what is the best version of this show
to end the story we’ve been telling.

And I pitched that to them.
I didn’t know what their reaction would be.

I expected them to —
because it’s very clear, it’s a satisfying ending.
It feels like an ending.

I wasn’t sure after I finished the pitch,
what they were going to say.
If they’d be surprised and be like,
“Wait a second, you just ended it.”

And I finished the pitch and they’re like,
“That’s great.”
And I’m like — huh. Okay.

So when I went into the season,
I sat down with all of these guys and said,
“Look, this is probably going to be the last year.

I don’t see it going past this.
As you read the scripts, you’ll see what I’m talking about creatively.

We should just enjoy it, and appreciate it while we’re doing it,
because it may not happen again.”

Well, the thing is —
getting a television show on the air is like impossible.

And then to have more than one season
is winning a crazy lottery.

So the fact that you guys did get four seasons —
is amazing.

And getting to end it our way, on our terms,
and tell the story the way we wanted to —
tell Harry’s story the way it was meant to be.

Not the way I wanted.
Oh, okay.
There you go.

But yeah —
I think we kill everyone.
I think I suggested that.
Everyone in a witch.

I remember that pitch.
Oh, you haven’t seen the last episode yet.
Oh.

I’m actually — you know, this drives me to a question.
And I want to know what you guys think.

I think one of the things — like, on television and in movies —
we’ve seen everything.
Every version of every story.

But the thing we really haven’t seen too often
is the villain winning.
Or something really bad happening to everyone.

Like, I wanted in Game of Thrones,
I wanted the Night King to win.

Because I thought all these different places
were so obsessed with being on the Iron Throne
that if they just worked together,
they could have defeated the evil.

But having the villain win is representative of the real world —
and how we’re all so obsessed with our own thing.

They kind of did turn the hero into the villain for some reason.
Yeah.

The ending of Game of Thrones is [__] terrible though.
Like it’s just awful.

But you know what —
they did that with Infinity War.

I think the gut blow of that film —
and leading up to it —
was for the first time everyone who’s a fan of these superheroes and comics
watched the bad guy win.

And I think everyone knew that when you got to Endgame,
things were going to somehow turn around.

But I remember walking out of that theater —
like you’re saying, seeing the bad guy win —
and everybody walking out was just like, “You know what I mean?”

But here’s the thing though —
we all knew it was going to get fixed.

I really mean the villain winning for real.
You know what I mean?

Like — and so I was going to say something.

Exactly.

Was there — like, I don’t know how the show ends —
but was there ever any thought of,
“This show has a heart,
where you know things are going to work out in a certain way”?

But how were you thinking about it
in terms of the last few shots,
and ultimately where Harry ends up?

Yeah, it’s a great question.
I don’t want to give away how it ends.
Yeah, I don’t want to know.
But —

I didn’t want to leave the audience feeling anything but happy.
Feeling satisfied.
Feeling hope.

Feeling hopeful about the world.

I mean, it’s the same themes we do every episode in a way —
trying to make people feel a little bit better about their lives.
A little more hopeful.
A little more connected to their neighbor.

And I wanted to carry that through to the end.